but dr. king used to say that, you know, you have three minutes on three networks. at that time that was worth a million dollars of publicity ever get. and so it was -- well, there was a deliberate offering of risk was incurred because we felt like we could -- we had to trust there was nobody else that we could get the story out. we could not even get mass meetings announced on black radio stations. it was -- i mean none of the south was nailed down real tight except for these incidents. and coming back, the reason i was -- i mean, i volunteered to testify at the hearing because i knew that griffin bell was the one who got both sides of the school desegregation in the koran, and said, look, you all know more about atlanta's schools than anybody else. you'll work this out. when you get through call me and i'll make it a court order. i mean, there was -- there was a trust, and the realization that this was a real problem that had to be faced, regardless of the risk that was taken. now, compare that with right now where i mean, people are writing about stories in such